Updates: goldenriverorg_humanissues_veterans_McCain/Issues__updates_05/15/2018 Beyond Killing Fields excerpt on POWs Vietnam; Wikepedia on McCain Detainee Amendment 2005; 05/14/2018 Vietnam Vets against McCain/Issues section started; 02/07/2017_;04/17/2016  IN THIS SECTION:  John McCain - vietnam Veterans Against/info See Also in Veterans Section Agent Orange    Commentary (separate page)   Resources Veterans (top of that section)    John McCain - vietnam Veterans Against/info     Iraq, Afghanistan, and Related Areas (separate page) Marine Abuses     Medal of honor     TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury)     Peace Groups   Veterans Organizations    Support, Healing Support - Remodeling, Disabilities   Acts, Bills - Current or Past    Books    Japanese Americans in WWII (Nisei)    VoteVets.org Vietnam Veterans Against McCain/Issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/ http://www.beyondthekillingfields.com/on-mias-the-press-was-lazy-or-cowed/ http://www.beyondthekillingfields.com/vietnam-mia-pows/ We need to note the following about McCain: Owing to his time as a POW, McCain has been recognized for his sensitivity to the detention and interrogation of detainees in the War on Terror. In October 2005, McCain introduced the McCain Detainee Amendment to the Defense Appropriations bill for 2005, and the Senate voted 90–9 to support the amendment.[184] It prohibits inhumane treatment of prisoners, including prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, by confining military interrogations to the techniques in the U.S. Army Field Manual on Interrogation. Although Bush had threatened to veto the bill if McCain's amendment was included,[185] the President announced in December 2005 that he accepted McCain's terms and would "make it clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we adhere to the international convention of torture, whether it be here at home or abroad".[186] This stance, among others, led to McCain being named by Time magazine in 2006 as one of America's 10 Best Senators.[187] McCain voted in February 2008 against a bill containing a ban on waterboarding,[188] which provision was later narrowly passed and vetoed by Bush. However, the bill in question contained other provisions to which McCain objected, and his spokesman stated: "This wasn't a vote on waterboarding. This was a vote on applying the standards of the [Army] field manual to CIA personnel."[188] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain Beyond the Killing Fields: What was the body of evidence that prisoners were held back? A short list would include more than 1,600 firsthand sightings of live U.S. prisoners; nearly 14,000 secondhand reports; numerous intercepted Communist radio messages from within Vietnam and Laos about American prisoners being moved by their captors from one site to another; a series of satellite photos that continued into the 1990s showing clear prisoner rescue signals carved into the ground in Laos and Vietnam, all labeled inconclusive by the Pentagon; multiple reports about unacknowledged prisoners from North Vietnamese informants working for U.S. intelligence agencies, all ignored or declared unreliable; persistent complaints by senior U.S. intelligence officials (some of them made publicly) that live-prisoner evidence was being suppressed; and clear proof that the Pentagon and other keepers of the “secret” destroyed a variety of files over the years to keep the P.O.W./M.I.A. families and the public from finding out and possibly setting off a major public outcry. http://www.beyondthekillingfields.com/when-john-kerrys-courage-went-m-i-a/ Alternative view of Vietnam Veterans against McCain - on Tighe seen in McCain and the POW Cover-up above: http://www.miafacts.org/tighe.htm Books Kiss The Boys Goodbye by Producer Stevenson and husband William (1990) Beyond the Killing Fields by Sydney Schanberg Some Names Maj. Mark Smith Sgt. 1st Class Melvin McIntire-supports torture in CIA or other prison systems and uses McCain’s experience to sugest torture works Rep. Sam Johnson -- Vietnam Veteran who experienced 7 years in Vietnamese prison system and was tortured article (07/21/2015) https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/i-was-vietnam-pow-donald-trump-120436 John Sidney "Jack" McCain Jr. was a United States Navy admiral, who served in conflicts from the 1940s through the 1970s, including as the Commander, United States Pacific Command.--…During the Vietnam War, McCain was Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command (CINCPAC), commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater from 1968 to 1972. He was a stalwart supporter of President Richard Nixon's policy of Vietnamization. McCain played a significant role in the militarization of U.S. policy towards Cambodia, helping to convince Nixon to launch the 1970 Cambodian Incursion and establishing a personal relationship with Cambodian leader Lon Nol. McCain was also a proponent of the 1971 incursion into Laos. McCain retired from the Navy in 1972. His father, John S. McCain Sr., was also an admiral in the Navy and a naval aviator, and the two were the first father-son pair to achieve four- star rank.[1] His son, John S. McCain III, is a former naval aviator who was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam during McCain's time as CINCPAC, who retired with the rank of captain and then became a United States Senator and the 2008 Republican Party nominee for President of the United States.Wikipedia War Often Considered The Price For Peace Few of us want to sit by and “take it” - if we feel our lives or way of life are threatened, many people are willing to put out serious sacrifices in the hopes of victory for personal peace.  In other words, we hear and see the words “peace is not free” or “there is a price for freedom” all the time.  What we need to do in these cases is become increasingly informed citizens, well read and thoughtful, so as to expose the lies that governments provide to encourage citizens to go to war.  Once we start reading up on things, we realize just how many ways we can be manipulated - as well as our governments.  Most people realize media can shift the public’s viewpoints; for example we see bumper stickers like “I don’t believe the Liberal Media.”  Well, the problem with proclamations like that is we don’t have just one media; we have a media composed of diverse groups and individuals.  The fact of the matter is, amid all of the lies and hype we do find truthful and accurate articles in the media of the United States.  The problem is often not a matter of one agency controlling all of the media as much as it is filtering through all of the gimmicks and falsity to get at the nuggets of truth.  Corrupt agendas make use of this blasting of attention into millions of scattered microbits; it’s a strategy to keep us confused and off center.  Some so-called peaceful organizations might be funded by terrorists or anti- peace groups faking it on the internet and elsewhere.  What comes across as one thing might be something else.  How do we sift through all of this, especially if we fear our government and police force might be infected with corruption?  Sometimes Lies, Sometimes Truth From Officials You see, the problem is sometimes we are not being lied to by the FBI, police and government and sometimes (there are those who suggest we are lied to daily) we are - just like with the media.  Sometimes the FBI is telling us about a real threat and that we had better be on alert.   On the other hand, there are those in the police and military who want to tell you if you are given orders, you are given orders.  For example, look at the easy example of our dictated use of cell phones with bugging potential, making it illegal for cell phone companies to provide bugging-safe phones.  We are not allowed to use cell phones that cannot be tapped into.  Those in power want you to succumb to a line of authority one way or another.  If you are told to believe or do something, you are expected to jump.  When we learn that sometimes things are true and other times they are not true when told it is in our best interests to jump, we wind up with a real problem: should we jump or not jump?  Which is the safest answer?  Again, remember that wealthy person, corporation, hidden terrorist or other international group back behind the scenes: how are people like that playing on the rest of us in this realm of uncertainty and mixed messages?  How does it play to their advantage? to top of page/menu
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